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JLP
Windows XP Service Pack 2 and Windows XP for AMD64 will come with Data Execution Prevention technology built-in which will prevent some nasty code to run on our computers. More about DEP can be read here. Some apps are not meant to harm you but because of the way they are writen they might not run and you will get an error message about them. So this topic is here to collect those incompatible apps

Ad-aware
Current version: 6.181
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/
Support: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/

Adobe Update Manager
Current version: 6.0.1
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html
Support: http://www.adobe.com/support/main.html

Dreamweaver 2004 MX
Current version: 7.0.1
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://www.macromedia.com/
Support: http://www.macromedia.com/support/

Flash 2004 MX
Current version: 7.0.1
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://www.macromedia.com/
Support: http://www.macromedia.com/support/

Just Another Jabber Client
Current version: 0.0.7.110
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://jajc.ksn.ru/
Support: mmikel@tsu.tmb.ru

Mozilla
Current version: 1.6
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://www.mozilla.org/
Support: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233765

Prime 95
Current version: 23.8
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm
Support: woltman@alum.mit.edu

Where Is It?
Current version: 3.60.607
Working version: N/A
Homepage: http://www.whereisit-soft.com/
Support: bug.report@whereisit-soft.com
JLP
Maybe this topic could be made sticky or something?
Archive User
To add to the list.

Macromedia Dreamweaver MX 2004 and Flash MX 2004 do not work with Data Execution Prevention.

However work fine when its disabled.
JLP
OK. I'm adding them to the list. Please send them an e-mail to let them know about the problem.
Archive User
im confused, is the 64 bit xp SP2 out? i go to windows update and there are no updates, or do you get it somewhere else?
Archive User
sp2 is for 32bit windows its in beta form right now thats why some things dont work under it
JLP
OK while trying to update Adobe Reader today I found out that Adobe Update Manager also doesn't work with NX.
JLP
Another one: Ad-aware 6
Archive User
i use ad aware 6 and it works perfectly fine, along with spybot

edit: im dumb your talking about data execution prevention, ignore me
Archive User
webroots windows washer 5 works on 86x too
Archive User
The Steam client launching a game complains about DEP.
Archive User
I dont know about the other programs but I know for fact Ad-aware works with DEP. I have v6.181 installed and DEP enabled and Ad-aware is working fantastic as usual.

EDIT 1: hmm, are you talking about programs that DEP complained about upon the programs first launch? If so I dont remember if DEP complained or not. All I know is Ad-aware is working fine... please be more specific here... it sounds like your stating that these programs do not work with DEP enabled...

EDIT 2: I just used Adobe Update Manager and DEP poped up with a window that stoped the update process but allowed me to turn off DEP for Adobe Update Manager. Also at that time I noticed Ad-aware was in the list of allowed apps so I must have turned it off for Ad-aware too. I don't see this as a big deal, atleast it lets me know DEP is more aggresive than tame...
Archive User
Well it does sound like it since it is stated around the paragraph about programs that will have problems with DEP enabled.

QUOTE(JLP";p="3583)
Some apps are not meant to harm you but because of the way they are writen they might not run and you will get an error message about them.
Archive User
Yeah the error message is DEP telling you it didnt like what was going on, so it gives you the ability to turn off DEP for that particular app. This is perfectly fine with me as long as it doesnt hinder the use of the app.
Archive User
Mozilla Firefox 0.9.3 just installed with no error message... Wonder if the current Mozilla 1.7.2 will install with no DEP intervention?
Archive User
Oh and SP2 2180 went RTM today....
Archive User
Add WindowBlinds to the mix. I confirmed it DEP does NOT allow WindowBlinds to properly configure themes if DEP is enabled. In order for WB to work DEP had to be completely disabled.... That is bad news for me...

EDIT: BTW, this is for 32-bit WinXP I had the problem.
Archive User
QUOTE(}SkOrPn--'";p="14727)
Add WindowBlinds to the mix. I confirmed it DEP does NOT allow WindowBlinds to properly configure themes if DEP is enabled. In order for WB to work DEP had to be completely disabled.... That is bad news for me...

EDIT: BTW, this is for 32-bit WinXP I had the problem.


I have a funny feeling a lot of people, who have no idea what they are doing when they sit in front of their computers , are going to have a lot of problems with sp2...tis a wonder what a bit of knowledge can do...

Anyways....why is it bad news....you really think you need DEP?
Archive User
Not really... but it was one of the newest features we were looking forward to.
Archive User
If I go to start - help and support it won't open because of DEP and if I click "what is it?" on the DEP warning thing, that won't even execute. And Also, I don't know if it is DEP but search won't execute..


How can I turn DEP off?

**edit nevermind... I found out how to get it to work in system..... my bad!! (google is your friend)!**
Archive User
lol, google is a damn fine friend at that...
Archive User
... search still isn't working. Nothing pops up when I click it unders tart or whether I click it after right clicking a drives icon... any ideas, is this caused by sp2 or DEP???
Archive User
QUOTE(monkamatt";p="15101)
... search still isn't working. Nothing pops up when I click it unders tart or whether I click it after right clicking a drives icon... any ideas, is this caused by sp2 or DEP???


we are talking about XP32 SP2 correct? if so I have SP2 slipstreamed and have none of those problems what so ever. I have noticed that DEP does interfere with some apps but all so far have been non-microsoft software in my case... The OS and its included apps is running as good as ever...
Archive User
QUOTE(}SkOrPn--'";p="15103)
QUOTE(monkamatt";p="15101)
... search still isn't working. Nothing pops up when I click it unders tart or whether I click it after right clicking a drives icon... any ideas, is this caused by sp2 or DEP???


we are talking about XP32 SP2 correct? if so I have SP2 slipstreamed and have none of those problems what so ever. I have noticed that DEP does interfere with some apps but all so far have been non-microsoft software in my case... The OS and its included apps is running as good as ever...


I know how to secure windows as well as it can be...i don't need sp2 :)
Archive User
Xircon does not work. It's an older dead irc client that is accually very nice. :) just have to disable DEP for it to work.
Archive User
QUOTE(Jacob Priest";p="15122)
QUOTE(}SkOrPn--'";p="15103)
QUOTE(monkamatt";p="15101)
... search still isn't working. Nothing pops up when I click it unders tart or whether I click it after right clicking a drives icon... any ideas, is this caused by sp2 or DEP???


we are talking about XP32 SP2 correct? if so I have SP2 slipstreamed and have none of those problems what so ever. I have noticed that DEP does interfere with some apps but all so far have been non-microsoft software in my case... The OS and its included apps is running as good as ever...


I know how to secure windows as well as it can be...i don't need sp2 :)


It contains a lot more than just security fixes. This is a major update with literally hundreds of fixes. If I were you I would use SP2 and just disable anything you dont like, like DEP for instance.
Archive User
in my DEP-list:

quake3
Maya 6
ZoomPlayer 4.01-4.03

but newest
ZoomPlayer 4.10 beta 1
working wihtout DEP-list
Archive User
QUOTE(}SkOrPn--'";p="15506)
QUOTE(Jacob Priest";p="15122)
QUOTE(}SkOrPn--'";p="15103)
QUOTE(monkamatt";p="15101)
... search still isn't working. Nothing pops up when I click it unders tart or whether I click it after right clicking a drives icon... any ideas, is this caused by sp2 or DEP???


we are talking about XP32 SP2 correct? if so I have SP2 slipstreamed and have none of those problems what so ever. I have noticed that DEP does interfere with some apps but all so far have been non-microsoft software in my case... The OS and its included apps is running as good as ever...


I know how to secure windows as well as it can be...i don't need sp2 :)


It contains a lot more than just security fixes. This is a major update with literally hundreds of fixes. If I were you I would use SP2 and just disable anything you dont like, like DEP for instance.



SP2 has a lot of usefull security features. The biggest one is the buffer exploit risk. All the code in Windows SP2 was recompiled to avoid buffer
overflows. This alone will stop 70% of attacks and is probably the one
biggest reason to get SP2.

:D
Archive User
Microsoft Services for UNIX v3.5 is kind of broken with DEP as well. Random applications will fail to dlopen or execute external modules or processes, such as gcc crashing when spawning cc1/cc1plus or collect2, GIMP attempting to load plug-ins. Other applications will crash or fail to start properly, such as bash and rxvt.

The problem seems to affect the Interix subsystem module itself, which is a service, so it will affect even 32-bit Windows when DEP is configured to the default of protecting core services. Annoyingly, the crashes which occur under this subsystem are not specially logged as DEP, and simply register as segmentation faults. The only solution at this time is to disable DEP completely.
Archive User
As Jstelly says, loading Steam (by Valve) sparks DEP too as well as its Cheating Death counterpart.
Archive User
I'm 99% sure the SP2 DEP in Win32 works just the same as Win64.
Archive User
QUOTE(SavantStorm";p="28226)
As Jstelly says, loading Steam (by Valve) sparks DEP too as well as its Cheating Death counterpart.

I tried Steam last night and it ran just fine, but when starting a game everything locked up imediately...

1289 and latest drivers... using the allready installed steam on another active partition for xp32...
Pavluha
Ad muncher..
charlesstjr
Uhhh....Almost every program listed here, I have no problem with even with DEP enabled. I use Dreamweaver MX2004, and the others. Even WindowBlinds which was mentioned later runs fine for me.
Athildja
these were apps that did not work with DEP before the release of RC1 most of them do work now
SHAGVIRUS
anyone have a link on how to disable dep?
Tweak
QUOTE(SHAGVIRUS @ May 17 2005, 02:03 AM)
anyone have a link on how to disable dep?
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875352
SHAGVIRUS
i read that before...i tried to locate my boot.ini file to change it but i do a search in windows to find boot.ini and it cannot find it?? wacko.gif
Tweak
QUOTE(SHAGVIRUS @ May 18 2005, 02:45 AM)
i read that before...i tried to locate my boot.ini file to change it but i do a search in windows to find boot.ini and it cannot find it??  wacko.gif
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Right-Click My Computer, choose Properties, Click the Advanced tab, under Startup and Recovery click Settings, when this box pops up you'll see System Startup, there is an Edit button that'll open the file you'll want to edit and then save and exit, reboot and you have completed the steps needed to disable DEP.
tntoak
I have been able to run Macromedia Studio MX 2004 without a hitch (including Dreamweaver and Flash 2004).

OTOH, I did run into a problem today where Office XP refused to install because of a DEP issue.
Jito463
This is an old list, but for what it's worth Alcohol 120%/52% will not run if DEP is set to OptOut or AlwaysOn. If set to OptIn or AlwaysOff, then it works just fine (or if added to the exclusions list). That should be fixed in a future update.
Estel
Terrible problem with this now.
Recently, over the past week or so, any programs that use the Windows installer have just stopped installing because of DEP. I don't have a clue why. I've tried changing every single setting about DEP that I can find, added programs to the list for which DEP is off etc.
It wasn't like this a week or so ago.

Has anyone got any advice?

I'd like to be able to update MSN, and reinstall Java sometime soon.
tntoak
I'm using AdAware 6 & Prime95 (although they have released a 64-bit version at this point), and seen no problems at all with DEP enabled.

QUOTE
Terrible problem with this now.
Recently, over the past week or so, any programs that use the Windows installer have just stopped installing because of DEP. I don't have a clue why. I've tried changing every single setting about DEP that I can find, added programs to the list for which DEP is off etc.
It wasn't like this a week or so ago.

Has anyone got any advice?

I'd like to be able to update MSN, and reinstall Java sometime soon.


That was the problem I had when installing Office XP. Tried reinstalling Windows Installer, everything with no luck. I wound up reinstalling x64 to get the installer working right (fortunately, if you reinstall over an existing x64 setup, it doesn't require you to reformat and install from scratch).
Estel
QUOTE(tntoak @ Jun 5 2005, 01:32 AM)
Tried reinstalling Windows Installer, everything with no luck.
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How am I supposed to do that? :s Sorry, that's not something I've had to do before (can't see it as a Windows component)
Jito463
Did you install the update for x64? It's an update for the Microsft Installer, but afterwards I couldn't install Java. I had to uninstall the update from Add/Remove Programs and then it installed fine.
Estel
Ya, just solved it (thanks to help elsewhere) by doing that same method.
Though I reinstalled the update, I installed what I needed in between then and reinstalling.
fatboyjim
I had some major problems after enabling DEP (it didn't help that I'd forgotten I'd enabled it! -took ages to work out what was wrong)

Winamp 5 -- Jump to file feature doesn't seem to work properly when DEP is on - indeed it completely removes itself from Winamp (the extended version which is now installed by default with winamp... contains options like Enqueue)

BitTornado (www.bittornado.com) -- crashed with Unknown Software Exception error whenever I ran it with DEP turned on. Now works fine

Cheers
Jim
chasnichol
Strange to say but after reading this discusion I turned the dxp on and dreamweaver 2004 mx is still working without any problems
also by clicking on my photoshop exe on my c drive xp32 that starts also without having to reinstall it in xp64. fireworks asks for the serial number after that its ok. emotion-5.gif
SCSIraidGURU
QUOTE(Archive User @ Aug 16 2004, 11:10 PM)
If I go to start - help and support it won't open because of DEP and if I click "what is it?" on the DEP warning thing, that won't even execute. And Also, I don't know if it is DEP but search won't execute..
How can I turn DEP off?
**edit nevermind... I found out how to get it to work in system..... my bad!! (google is your friend)!**
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I disabled it in system setup and boot.ini by adding /noexecute=AlwaysOff /pae.

/pae turns back on NUMA for those with NUMA memory management supported. DEP is MS lame attempt at protecting our computers. I wish MS would spend more time shrinking the size of the OS and fixing the problems. Most of the security s*** they added, I disabled. It only managed to cause more app problems. Bill Gates has to learn, MS does not know how to protect my workstation.
TranceEnergy
DEP can be turned off by editing the Boot ini file, or you could turn it
off all together by Nlite and live without it.

So i would like to turn the table, are there any app or otherwise that DEPEND on having DEP enabled?

We have firewalls, anti virus, spy ware killers/prevents, anti trojan, IP protection, wlan protection and what not, to prevent dirty code from intruding or destroing, our systems.

I vaguely remember i did turn it off and noticed some actual noticeable
performance boost. So... If the enviroment is secured and all, kill it?
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